Forum broadcast
April 1st, 2008 by 
Alica
Did you watch the city council candidate forum last night on local cable channel 18? If not, it will broadcast again tonight (Tuesday) at 8 p.m.
If you saw the forum last night, or attended it last week, how do you think the candidates did? Did any of their answers help you make up your mind about who to (or not) vote for? Did their answers ring true for you, or were you skeptical about anything they said?
On April 8, Ward I voters will choose between Roger Brooks and Steve Rubin. Ward III voters will choose between Blaine Jones and John Saarloos. Which candidates do you think will win, and why?
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April 1st, 2008 at 2:54 pm
I did watch the forum last night on TV. I was very impressed with Blaine Jones. It seems that he has no “hidden agendas”. If I lived in that ward, that is who I would be voting for. I also liked what Roger Brooks had to say. I think he would be good on the council. He has the time to devote to the city and it seems that he also has no hidden agenas. Please go out and vote!!
April 1st, 2008 at 3:45 pm
Yes, their answers did help me make up my mind. Here’s why I can’t vote for Rubin:
1. It seems he singlehandedly made improvements to our city, and doesn’t mind taking credit for them. Including things like the Holly Blvd project that was on the comprehensive plan since Schultz was Mayor.
2. He wants more business’ in Brandon for increased tax revenue yet his own business remains outside the city limits. (Oakridge is in the city limits)
3. He just can’t let the ambulance issue go and now is trying to branch out for Medstar in Corson or county or whatever he has in mind.
4. He shouldn’t have voted on the ambulance issue because he has a relative that works for Medstar. And he hires Medstar for his track. But yet he excused himself from the concert vote because he’s had concerts before at Huset’s? No consistency in voting.
Here’s why I wouldn’t vote for Saarloos if he was in my ward:
1. It was painfully obvious that someone else wrote his opening “speech.” It sounded great but the when it came time to answer questions he was pretty clueless. (He didn’t even know how many years the comprehensive plan was for)
2. He seems a follower, not an independant thinker or doer.
So here’s why I would vote for Jones:
He was the only one who absolutely said a public figure should not take gratuities. And he never would. The other three said they would of course take a free or reduced rate at the golf course.
It seems he would vote his consience and for his ward even if the rest of the council (or others) tried to persuade him otherwise.
He has a ton more experience than Saarloos is matters of business, budgets, and personnel.
April 1st, 2008 at 4:10 pm
To #2: Thank you a lot for your comments. You make some good points.
I am wondering about the golf course question. I was confused about what the exact policy is, after watching the broadcast of the forum. The microphone didn’t quite pick up everything Dennis Olson said when they asked him to clarify the city’s policy, and the moderator didn’t repeat his comments.
But it seems to me there is a difference between a gratuity and an employee benefit. Most companies give an employee discount for goods and services, and it occurs to me that city employees deserve the same.
I’ve worked at newspapers, for example, who let employees have an occasional free for sale ad.
A gratuity, on the other hand, comes from someone who isn’t your employer, usually in return for some sort of service.
Even then, it occurs to me that there could be two types of gratuities: the bribe type and the thank you type. We probably all agree that bribes are bad. But, for example, should the police turn away a person who stops by the office with a pan of brownies for no particular reason?
It’s something to think about.
April 1st, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Alica,
I am unable to watch the forum as I am out of town this week, but could you elaborate more on the golf course issue? Just curious, as I do pay my yearly fees. Also, if unsure of the policy, maybe Dennis could clarify to the public what exactly the policy is.
April 1st, 2008 at 5:12 pm
To #4: I’ll do my best to find out what kind of employee benefits (possible reduced golf fees, for example) the city employees get.
To others: You have another chance to watch the forum on TV tonight, at 8 p.m. on local cable channel 18.
April 1st, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Since when is a councilman considered a city employee??? I do not agree with city employees getting free golf unless they are employed at the course, but in no way should an elected official recieve that type of benefit.
April 1st, 2008 at 5:40 pm
I believe Ward 1 voters will vote for Mr. Saar;oos or Mr Jones and Ward III voters will vote for Mr. Rubin or Mr. Brooks.
April 1st, 2008 at 5:52 pm
It sounded to me like they were joking about the free golf because it wasn’t true or if it was they we’re all unaware of it.
April 1st, 2008 at 7:32 pm
I have heard from more than one person that council members either get discounted or free golf. Also, was told they get 50% off drinks / food in clubhouse. Don’t know if this is true. Maybe our moderator, Alica, can get the facts for us.
April 1st, 2008 at 7:44 pm
Someone submitted the question about city council getting a free gold membership. Rubin said he didn’t know anything about that and joked he wished he had. Then he kind of backtracked and said well maybe they got a discount. Listening close to Dennis Olsen on the video I thought he said….you voted for it in 2006. Someone would have to verify that.
I don’t think council should be considered a city employee either.
On another note…why did Mr. Saarloos vote on his neighbors variance?? Shouldn’t he have excused himself?
Also…if there was 2 hours set aside for the forum, why did the chamber stop at 1.25 hours when all the questions hadn’t been asked?
April 1st, 2008 at 9:07 pm
I would like to address the gratuity issue. I think everyone should keep in mind, Alderman are elected officials “not” full time employees. There is no issue here. A free golf membership on a city course, given to an “elected” official is a gratuity. I would also like everyone to understand, I am speaking for myself, no one else. I very much appreciate the question. I think these types of questions define your candidates.
April 1st, 2008 at 10:32 pm
I feel compelled to clarify something. The Brandon Municipal Golf Course is not a private club; therefore, no memberships are given or sold. The golf course is a municipal course, open to everyone, and the city does sell season passes to the course. Punch cards, I believe.
I understand the point about elected officials not being city employees. They do receive a dollar amount per meeting, however, and they receive a W2 form from the city each year for tax purposes.
To Blaine Jones: If I understand you correctly, as a city councilor, you would turn down a discount at the city golf course. However, do you feel a Brandon police officer, or clerk, or maintenance worker could take advantage of a golfing discount as a city employee? How about if the person, say a police officer, were a part-time employee?
April 2nd, 2008 at 5:41 am
Alica, thank you for asking the question. My answer is yes. As an Alderman I would turn down the membership. However, if the City has a policy that they allow full time or even part time employee’s a membership or discounted golf, I would consider that a benifit. An employee is a hired individual by the city. An Alderman is an elected official by the citizens of Brandon. In my opinion, such benifits or what I call gratuities to an Alderman would make it more difficult to render and unbiased decision if there were difficulites at the golf course.
April 2nd, 2008 at 7:04 am
Blaine,
Just curious, when you worked for the BPD did you pay for golf at the Brandon Course?
April 2nd, 2008 at 7:19 am
When I was an Officer on the BPD, I “did not” pay for my golf. Myself and the other Officers at the time golfed frequently and I did use the benefit.
April 2nd, 2008 at 7:19 am
Why should a city employee, especially one that doesnt work at the course, get a discount on golf? Do they get cheaper water too?
April 2nd, 2008 at 7:27 am
The company that I work for also provides benefits such as a company car and life insurance, but we as employees are required to pay income tax on those benefits. Should city employees be required to declare those benefits for tax purposes.
April 2nd, 2008 at 7:32 am
If they are recieving a golf membership, the value of the membership should be included in their pay and they should be paying taxes on it. If it is not included this would be an audit issue…
April 2nd, 2008 at 7:41 am
I can’t believe this is the most pressing issue we have as a city. Quite a stupid arguement. What about the real issues???
Here is my input on the ever important golf issue. Whether it is called a “benefit” or a “gratuity” it is OK to offer this up. It would be a nice “offering” to city employees and council people. It would be an “extra” incentive that is less costly than $$$$$.
Most people get “extras” via their work - why not our ever dedicated city employees/council people.
I also feel the elected officials don’t get paid enough to put up with the kind of stupid stuff they have to put up with - this is a great example…..
April 2nd, 2008 at 7:46 am
It is beyond me why any city employee or elected official would be entitled to “free golf”. They are hired or elected to do a job, are paid for their services, and can certainly pay their green fees like the rest of us do.
April 2nd, 2008 at 8:30 am
#19 I could not agree more. This is unreal. Like you said, you would think there are more important issues facing the city.
For those bitchin or jealous, go apply for a job with the city if it is such an important issue to you.
I have a hard time believing this perk is going to break the golf course. Or, that there is some conspiracy to sway council people.
Obviously, Blaine is trying to ride this issue somehow to make people believe he is morally superior because he will not take free golf (but he did when he was a police officer)
Give me a break.
April 2nd, 2008 at 10:02 am
I was at the ward I appointment,went to the forum, watched the forum monday night, I still cant belive that Mr. Sarloos is even being considered for ward I or anyother position. I completely agree with #2 that he is just a “follower”. Ward I needs a leader and I think Baine is the person that will represent the people of Brandon not just wardI.
April 2nd, 2008 at 10:12 am
#19 and #21, I’ll agree. This should tell us where one’s priorities are at if the biggest issue is the golf course!!!!
I’ve had people tell me that John has less expierence than Blaine. People need to understand that it seems some of the controversy we have had in the past is just that people are to close to the issue’s. Blaine in my opionion, by his past having lived here and the role he’s played, maybe to close to the issues. We need a John Saarlos perhaps! Managing 30 people is not running a city.
April 2nd, 2008 at 11:58 am
Buying cattle is not running a city either!! It was very effident to me while watching the forum that Blaine has some progressive ideas. It did not seem to me that John had any. Blaine will not “buckle” under pressure. I think John would. Its not really about expierence for me, its about having a back bone and standing up for the people that you are representing.
April 2nd, 2008 at 12:55 pm
To #13: Thanks for answering my questions, and for taking them as they were meant, as curiosity, and not as challenges.
To #13 and #18: Again, please remember that as a municipal course, there are no golf memberships. “Season pass” would be a more accurate term.
To #16: I am not sure what benefits/perks city employees get. Finding out is on my “to do” list. I’ll let the blog know anything I find out.
To #17: I’ll ask about declaring the benefits when I ask about what they are. Will keep the blog posted.
To #19 and #21: I’m happy to start new blog threads on any topics bloggers would like to discuss. What hot topics do you think should be priority?
To #20: Would you please consider your own job? Do you get any employee discounts or perks, like a company car? Reimbursement for out-of-pocket expenses like cell phone? If your employer is a retailer, do you get cheaper prices on goods? I’m guessing a guy who sells shoes gets a discount on shoes he buys, and etc. Shouldn’t city employees get some perks too?
Thanks for blogging.
April 2nd, 2008 at 1:38 pm
#24, I won’t disagree that selling cattle is running a city. Heck Neither is selling houses-Buck, or selling beer-Karber, or selling racing-Rubin,Or TSA security- Mostek. Under that thought none of these mentioned should be on the council. Hommond at least has a civil engineering background. Supervising 30 employees has nothing equal to running a city.
Sad to say those qualified to run for office have no desire.
April 2nd, 2008 at 2:04 pm
To #26 and others: Our country’s form of government is a pretty good one, comparatively, but there are still some drawbacks. One of them is that ordinary citizens can be elected to public office, and they may not be qualified. A person might be a cracker-jack welder, for example, but that doesn’t mean they know about infrastructure or government.
That is why it is so important for our elected officials to read and understand the laws they are being asked to administer.
Can your candidate explain the side yard requirements for the city of Brandon, for example, or does he know what chemicals are typically found in the city’s water? Would your candidate read an ordinance before voting on it?
Even ordinary citizens can make good councilmen, if they are willing to educate themselves. Let’s hope our council members do so.
April 2nd, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Zane Swenson, who runs the golf course, e-mailed me the Employee Golf Privilege Policy. Here it is:
For Golf Course Employees and City Employees:
-An employee working an average of 20 hours or more per week is entitled to free green fees. Theses employees are also entitled to free gas cart rental as well as the use of the driving range.
-An employee that works less than 20 hours per week is entitled to a 70% discount on the following: Green fees, Season passes, Punch cards, Cart rentals, Cart leases, Range balls (including a range pass). This discount is granted for the employee only.
-The above privileges are dependent on availability, meaning how busy the course is on any given day. Brandon Golf Course’s paying customers are first priority.
-The Pro-Shop Attendant has the authority to determine whether or not these privileges will be granted on any given day.
-Brandon Golf Course employees are entitled to a 50% discount on meals in the lounge during their work shift only.
-Each employee is required to check in the Pro-Shop before playing.
Alica here again: So, if you’re a city employee and do not golf, can you get other city perks, like free or reduced-price swimming? No, says city administrator Dennis Olson. No water or sewer discounts either, he said. Likewise, if a city employee wants to rent the golf course clubhouse for his daughter’s wedding reception, for example, he has to pay full price just like anybody else.
And the guys who work in the city shop can’t, for example, take a front-end loader home to remove snow from their driveway.
The only person who is allowed to drive a city vehicle home is Dennis Olson, he said, and he writes the city a check every year to cover the mileage for that privilege.
So there you have it. Brandon city employees get fewer perks than your typical fast-food employee, it looks like.
April 2nd, 2008 at 3:54 pm
Is an alderman considered a city employee? If not then they should not get free golf.
I wouldnt say they get fewer benefits then a fast-food employee, how many fast food employees get 100% of their insurance premiums paid for? I’d say the city of Brandon gives awesome benefits…
April 2nd, 2008 at 4:24 pm
An alderman is elected..not an employee. When I worked for a restaurant, I got reduced or free meals. When I worked for a hotel company, I got discounted room rates, based on availability. We referred to this as a “fringe” benefit. Every job has them, even if you don’t realize it. This should not be an issue. The question was asked and answered by the candidates. Move on.
April 2nd, 2008 at 5:40 pm
PERKS! PERKS! Of course Sarloos would take advantage of free golf and cheap food, ever see the “Tyson” car at city meetings,I bet who ever is buying the gas “$3.25 per gal” doesnt mind him using it to deliver election signs on saturday.PERKS! PERKS!
April 2nd, 2008 at 5:59 pm
We are aware of your dislike for Mr. Saarloos and that it is personal for you, but I for one am not interested in reading your nasty remarks. The canidates are being respectful to one another and YOUR canidate prides himself on intergrity maybe YOU should follow his lead. I bet Blaine would agree that your above comments are uncalled for and doesn’t appreciate them. They don’t make either canidate look good or bad, they just make YOU look like a nasty, mean spirited angry person
April 2nd, 2008 at 6:11 pm
#19- I personally believe that the council we have now except one are way overpaid. The reason I say that is because of the time spent at meetings ,plus the 45 minutes to an hour briefing adds up to approximately 6 hours a month not bad for approximately 500.00 per month. One of them has to spend maybe an hour a month for P&z to report back to the council. Then we have the other depts, being checked on too.,by phone. It’s to bad they are too busy to go to the meetings they should be attending . I don’t think it is a pay thing for some of them, it’s the title and the presumed power.
#23 & 26 NOw that we know what each and every one of the council do for a living( except you were wrong on one of them,) explain what the heck that has to do with any thing . AND SOMEONE IS RIGHT IF THEY SAY THE GOLF THING IS PETTY, BUT SAARLOOS SAYING HE WAS PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT IT, THINK HE SAID CAN’T WAIT TO CHECK IT OUT.! tHEN WE HAVE RUBIN SAYING HE KNEW NOTHING ABOUT IT. HAS HE FORGOTTEN HE VOTED ON IT IN 06.. How soon they all forget, conveniently ? I’m so sick of all the lies that these people tell.
April 2nd, 2008 at 6:38 pm
OMG #33 If you really believe that is all the time the council members spend per month you should see if you can buddy up with one to see what really takes place to know what is involved to be an alderman for this City. Did you by any chance read post #28 from Alicia? Did you attend the forum or watch it? Only one out of the 4 even golfs and this is the only issue that you people are concerned with? Let it go.
I challenge you all to come up with a important real issue that concerns the city of Brandon to discuss and quit being so petty!! Here’s a little trivia let’s see who knows the answer- Who was it that said “Everyone can blog and state thier opinion EVEN IF YOU ARE WRONG?”
April 2nd, 2008 at 7:02 pm
#34 I think the golf issue is more important than you think. It’s part of a bigger issue. I believe people think it is a direct reflection of character and telling the whole truth. It goes to what kind of person we’ll elect.
I think it is a real issue. And I don’t think it’s petty when people put some stock into integrity and honesty when choosing a candidate.
April 2nd, 2008 at 7:05 pm
If Saarloos is on the bowling team I’m not voting for him. I want someone who’s not buddies with the present council. Diversity is a good thing.
April 2nd, 2008 at 7:13 pm
Alica:
I have been reading these blogs since its inception and I am sorry to say I think this blog is the worst thing that has ever happened to this city. I have lived in this community for 46 years. I always thought this was a close nit friendly community where we all treated each other with respect.
But I am very saddened in the way people degrade others on this site (whether it be elected officials, city employees, or other Brandon residents in general.)
In my opinion, this is one of the negatives of the internet/information age. People can say whatever the want, start any rumor they want, dig up dirt on anyone they want, etc. etc. etc. All anonymously I might add.
The real sad thing is there are young people in our community who read this garbage. What kind of example are we setting for our children in Brandon? Someone should start a petition to shut this thing down.
April 2nd, 2008 at 7:22 pm
To #37: My personal wish would be for people to use their real names. However, Argus Leader policy is to let people remain anonymous.
The blog is like anything. You can use it for good or for evil.
April 2nd, 2008 at 7:34 pm
Just pointing out character #32, some might not know all the facts about all the canidates,or there agendas.Nothing personal.
April 2nd, 2008 at 7:54 pm
Or #37 someone could start another Brandon Blog or forum where there are posting guidlines. Make them use their real names and if that is not possible at least a moderator should have the ability to delete blogs or posts if they break the blog rules. Many blogs are set up like this. Just a thought.
April 2nd, 2008 at 7:57 pm
#35-I apolgise if I offended you, my opinion of the answers that were given when watching the forum that this question came from someone who thought the councl recieved this and it was not true therefore they all joked about “checking it out” wishing they had known about it ect.. I agree with you that it is a good thing that people put stock into integretity and honesty when choosing a candidate but I think it’s petty to carry on about the subject when as posted in #28
it is not true and Mr. Brooks, Mr. Jones and Mr. Saarloos all stated they do not golf. I believe that everyone has a vote and is entitled to thier opinion but I think respect for one another is a good thing even when blogging anonymously or “annoying mouse”ly. I am voting in Ward 3 and believe in the candidate that I am voting for, and I believe he has proven himself but I don’t feel it is neccesary to put down his opponent to make my choice look better. To me (my opinion) it leaves a question in my mind who is the person doing the bad mouthing? a supporter of the candidate or the candidate, I agree with #32( #31’s comment is an embarassment to the )people of Brandon and #37 has very valid points!
“I always thought this was a close nit friendly community where we all treated each other with respect.
But I am very saddened in the way people degrade others on this site (whether it be elected officials, city employees, or other Brandon residents in general.)
In my opinion, this is one of the negatives of the internet/information age. People can say whatever the want, start any rumor they want, dig up dirt on anyone they want, etc. etc. etc. All anonymously I might add.
The real sad thing is there are young people in our community who read this garbage. What kind of example are we setting for our children in Brandon?”
So once again, I apolise if I offended you
April 2nd, 2008 at 8:09 pm
#39-Could you elaborate on the character of all the other candidates or is this the only one you know well enough (personally) to comment on?
April 2nd, 2008 at 8:17 pm
#42 are you a blogger mole,how many names do you have on this bog alone?
April 2nd, 2008 at 9:00 pm
#43-Sorry. Never blogged before until my first comment today #32 am I a blogger mole because i use Seriously RJH as a name? then yes I am a blogger mole. I only have 2 posts besides this one? Is this what you are asking?? It appears you answered my question with a question-Ever consider running for City council? I just checked out the blog today to see what info was out there and thought someone should point out your bad behavior so that people would know that your opinion is biased and you have your own agenda which is exactly what you are accusing others of-Sorry, that’s freedom of speech right?
April 2nd, 2008 at 9:01 pm
Alica, I think the good or evil reference is a little strong - maybe good or petty. I thought the free golf for city employees was an interesting tidbit, not enough for half of this blog. I missed going to the forum, but I did watch it on Monday. I thought Blaine was the best speaker and he came across as someone who knows how to get things done. I’m not sure I saw a lot of difference between any of the candidate’s views. They all want to do good things and they all know money is a problem. I think a postion on the council can take a lot of time if it is done right, and I think Brooks has an advantage because of that in Ward III. I think owning a business in Brandon can be a negative because you can’t have an unbiased view on things that impact your bread and butter. It can be a plus because you know how things work. I don’t think I saw anything that made mepick any clear winners.
I liked having the forum on TV and I like having the blog. Neither format is perfect, but they are what the people make of them and people are usually pretty imperfect. Thanks for having the forum.
April 2nd, 2008 at 9:24 pm
#44 Easy,maybe you should start a blog about the bad “behavior” of those not running for a seat on the city council.This one is about the forum that took place last week.CHILLAX!
April 2nd, 2008 at 9:48 pm
To #45: I thought about saying you can use it for good or for not so good, but that good/evil thing is sort of a standard saying, so I went with it.
I agree about televising the forum. That’s a great service to the community.
April 2nd, 2008 at 9:50 pm
#46 LOL you are right!
April 3rd, 2008 at 6:22 am
I think Steve Rubin is trying to take credit for everything.
1. The ambulance - pushed down our throats and now thinks he is part of the county commission that is going to make it happen to give Jay more territory. Does he happen to forget we got stuck with him becasue he could not pass county ordinance, and Steve deemed this important enough not to recuse himself from the vote, even though he hires Jay at the tracks and he also has a nephew working for him.
2. Faster Response time - exagerated statement, the first responders (the fire dept) are not condsidered in this forumla.
3. New Holly Blvd - and how long has this been on the books?
4. New Fire Hall - I belive this also was something in the works for a long time and not singlehandedly by Steve
5. New Police Chief - This comes from the same person that was initially infavor of contracting our opolice force out.
6.Comprehensive plan - I belivee this is done by others besides the council
7.Increase in retail business - again we had increase, but for each increase we had a business close.
8. Local business owner - your business is outside of Brandon, thus we do not collect taxes from your business. But we do get to ‘enjoy’ the loud noice. Will you now be adding more nights since you got rid of Lake Madison?
April 3rd, 2008 at 9:04 am
Well I would have to say that is too bad Alica because I view a majority of the stuff on here as mean spirited and negative. Call it evil if you want like you said.
As far as the Argus Leader Policy is concerned, then shame on them for not giving you the authority to delete or edit blog postings.
Another thing that bothers me is why is a Sioux Falls based company running a blog in Brandon? This does not fit the “Buy Brandon” motto the chamber advertises either.
#40 good idea.
April 3rd, 2008 at 9:55 am
Good Luck in the campaign, Blaine. I’m sorry I can’t vote for you…(not in the right district)but I wish you the best!!
April 3rd, 2008 at 10:03 am
#40 to elaborate on your idea. This could be an opportunity for the new chamber coordinator. She could start a Brandon Blog that is Brandon based. They could sell the advertising like the argus does on this site as well as set some rules and regulations for blog postings. In contrast to this free for all on here. This could restore some decency to this town and better our reputation as a city.
April 3rd, 2008 at 11:47 am
#51……… Thank You!
April 3rd, 2008 at 11:51 am
For those that don’t know…the Brandon paper is owned by the Argus.
April 3rd, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Stupid. Way off topic and just a bunch of people complaining. How about we set up a meeting somewhere and all of you could get together and complain in person. Oh wait, that would be too real and scary. It is much easier to rag on someone or something behind their back and totally uninformed. I would imagine there are doctors that take medicines or samples from their offices. Are you going to stop going to that doctor because of the PERKS? seriously. Maybe we should talk about things that are really hurting our community, rather than the fact that there is NO free golf for these guys. And if there is, can you really blame them? If you went to play golf and someone said it was free today would you trun them down and still pay. Get real. You are fooling yourself if you say you would still pay. How about we get a real issue going. Why is there no Taco Bell in this dang town?
April 3rd, 2008 at 12:49 pm
And a Pizza Hut!!
April 3rd, 2008 at 1:08 pm
…and a Strip Bar!! Boobs and Brats on Saturday.
April 3rd, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Now we are talking. Anyone want to complain about us wanting a couple new restaurants. Would it be stinky, loud or take business away from the other establishments. Maybe it would be a place where the GOB would meet and we dont want that. haha.
April 3rd, 2008 at 9:47 pm
#36 He is on a team, he is a ball bag boy for team Karber-Hammond-Rubin (gob?)
April 4th, 2008 at 9:44 am
Mr. Jones has commented on this Blog so I’m wondering why Mr. Saarloos hasn’t commented or answered to the question earlier….why did he vote on his neighbors variance?? That would help me determine who I’m voting for. Why or (why not)was it a conflict of interest to vote?
April 4th, 2008 at 10:56 am
I was pleasantly surprised over the weekend to have Roger Brooks himself come to my house and intorduce himself. This made a big impression on me and made up my mind on who to vote for.
April 4th, 2008 at 11:22 am
#60 You are going to vote on such an important issue based on such a trivial concern? You must be the neighbor or have some other ax to grind. Did you ever stop and consider if voting on the variance was a “no brainer” type of vote? Some issues are more important than others.
April 4th, 2008 at 11:25 am
I am tired of people taking pot shots at Mr. Saarlos. I DO NOT HERE ANYONE MENTIONING MR. JONES WRITING BAD CHECKS ALL OVER TOWN! That does not sound like someone who claims to be fiscally responsible.
April 4th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
OUCH, True, so true.
April 4th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Is this where it is brought up about Mr Rubin’s DuI? Why did Mr Beesley’s appear in print and the one for Mr Rubin did not????
April 4th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
#63. (Fair Game?) I’ve said it before and I will say it again. I have made a few mistakes in my life. I’d like anyone willing to challenge me on that subject to stand up and say they haven’t. I have also said in the past as I will again. I am an open book. I am willing to answer any question set forth. A shot from a blogger however that is not willing to even put a name to their post is not fair game. I stand by my honesty and integrity. Fair Game, my name is Blaine Jones and I’ve made mistakes. Not one for which I have not stood up for and made good. I would also like to thank you for your post. To my costituents. Please ask the questions, I’ll always give you an honest answer. My only expectation is, the question must be posted with a true name. Thank you again, Fair Game. I would like everyone to be fully informed.
April 4th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
#62.
Trivial? I think not. Mr. Saarloos sat up there and said he would not let friendships sway his votes. It’s a simple question of why didn’t he abstain from the vote, yet he won’t answer it.
It goes to character. And I for one of many have had enough of the “I’ll stratch your back if you scratch mine” politicing that’s been going on.
I want to know that if you have an “in” with a council member, your issue doesn’t automatically get the stamp of approval. I want to know if you “hang” out with a council member you don’t get preferrential treatment.
People always say “it’s who you know” and that seems to be the way it is with our city council.
Time for change.
April 4th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
Mr. Jones is anwering questions on this blog, why not Mr. Saarloos?
April 4th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
How long was the 67,000 given to build new tennis courts in the budget? I recall in the OLD comprehensive plan there was a planned baseball diamond across from McCarty park and that never materialized at all. So new projects get pushed through faster depending on who’s kids play what sport in this town? I’d be willing to bet there are far more kids that play baseball/softball in this town than tennis. And I bet they wouldn’t have to close the pool in the summer because it’s overcapacity if they built another pool. (or if they would’ve thought ahead 10-15 years and built the one we have bigger.) They all talk about planned growth, let’s put the money where the mouth is.
April 4th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Blaine-What is your take on all these pot shots that people are taking on your opponent, Mr Saarloos?
April 4th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
Nobody is taking potshots. People are asking questions of his voting record and why he won’t answer. That isn’t a potshot. Everything asked is of a POLITICAL nature which is more than you can say for the personal attack on Mr. Jones.
April 4th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
I’d be willing to bet that Mr. Saarloos does not answer any one’s questions or comments on this blog because he does not waste his time like the likes of US. For that reason I think he just got my vote!
April 4th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Hey, anonymous - why not give Mr. Saarloos a call? His number is in the book! I’m sure he’ll answer all of your questions. Is it really his responsibility to reply to a nameless attacker on the blog? And that goes for all the candidates and the council members. Got a question, call or email them - I’m sure they’ll be happy to hear from you - whether you’re patting them on the back or chewing their butt for whatever reason.
April 4th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
I DO NOT believe in dirty politics, period. You can ask the dozens of folks that I have spoken to since the conception of my campaign. I do not want to talk about my opponent, or his voting record. My campaign has and will continue to be positive and about what I feel I can offer our citizens. The John Sarloos I have come to know personally is a good man. Questions are a very healthy part of any campaign. Negativity bording on slander however are not.
April 4th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Thank you Blaine for your answer I believed that is the response you would give and You are right Mr. Saarloos is a good man.
#71-Please refer to #31 & #59, How would you define them? there are other comments also thru out this blog but if those are POT SHOTS then either is the one on Blaine.
I know BOTH of these men and niether deserves these kind of comments just because they are both willing to step up and serve our city.
Have a great weekend and don’t forget to vote Tuesday
Good Luck John & Blaine
April 4th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
I apoligize for any rude comments that I made on this or any other blog ,this has been a clean race and it should be kept that way, good luck to both guys.
April 4th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Ronni,
Agreed, those are out of line. I should have said, MINE was a question, and not lumped all posts together. I don’t think asking for voting records is a potshot. How do you know how effective your candidate is without knowing how or why he votes? I also think conflict of interest (if there is any) is an important issue.
I think Saarloos probably is a good man. They both are. But i’d like to know if he’s good in office. That’s why the questions.
April 4th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
maybe Brandoninfo.com should post all of the candidates police records like the Argus did for the Sioux Falls candidates….
April 4th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
I’m not sure there is time to prepare something like that with the election being Tuesday and all. But it’s something I’ll bring to the attention of my editors. Thanks for the suggestion.
Alica P. Thiele
Brandon Valley Challenger reporter
April 4th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
i live btwn the bluffs and Brandon and NOT ONE! of either ward 1 candidates have been in our red haired step child neighborhood.(at least not my house anyways ) Blaine i’m saddened to not see you stumping in our forgotten realm. Sarloos not surprised he was never seen. Our little hood is growing rapidly and its growth is– very poorly managed growth. I for one am tired and disappointed that the council cater’s to the res of the bluffs wishes..and if either candidate would have stumped in our neighborhood; it would have been an enlightening experience for BOTH OF YOU!. I know who i’m voting for, but who ever does win the seat i ask that you start looking at the bigger picture..city limits goes to 6 mile rd and there are Brandonites that live out there too..
April 5th, 2008 at 4:06 am
Mr. Jones made a visit out to our neighborhood last night (Friday). Maybe Mr. Saarloos will make it out before Tuesday. The weather has hardly been condusive to outdoor campaigning.
I do agree with you regarding “poorly managed growth”. Not sure who is to blame though. At least the current members of the council are TRYING. Previous council members didn’t seem to do much and that is why we have some of the situations we are now faced with.
**If you live in the development with the “apartment buildings” I feel for you. Those “monstrocities” should be on a much bigger lot, farther away from the road, and not right next to houses. An excellent example of not thinking things through.
April 5th, 2008 at 8:43 am
I’m sorry I haven’t gotten to your home. I will be and thats a promise. I’ve been out to the bluffs a couple of times and I have not gotten to all of your homes. I’ll do my best to visit with you, because I am “very” interested in you thoughts. Please feel free to give me a call @ 582-6996, I’d like to visit.
April 5th, 2008 at 11:24 am
Mr. Saarloos has also visited the Bluffs neighborhood (Sat. morning). Glad to see both candidates are qualified and interested in running for public office. Nice to have a choice!
April 5th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
My name is Dale Thomsen: I just read these blogs.. I am the neighbor of John Saarloos that is being referred to in this blog about the variance issue. Just to set the record straight, I paid the $50.00 fee for the variance permit, I took all the appropriate paperwork to the P&Z committee, and with Harry Buck there as chairman, the P&Z committee voted unanimously to pass my variance.. Then went through the same procedure in front of the City Council, again passed unanimously. In “MY” opion, City Council members are voted on to speak for the residence in their ward. I thought that’s how the process worked. Someone please correct me if I am wrong..And according to this negative blog site, I am sure someone will.. Goodluck both John & Blaine - Two standup gentleman..
April 5th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
#84
I don’t think anybody was questioning the procedure for your variance. And yes council members are there to speak for the residents of their wards when it comes to voting on the issues. But….I think the point was they should abstain from voting on matters where they have a personal interest, such as family, friends, (neighbors), or money. And I agree, both are standup guys.
April 5th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
The election has gone high tech!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtPOLSh0WoQ&feature=related
April 5th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
#85- Are you saying if my nieghbor is running for alderman I should not vote for him because he couldn’t represent for me but if he lives a block away then it would be OK? I’m confused by your response?? Did this variance pass because of one vote? did this council member benefit somehow?
April 5th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
Of course you should vote for him because he will represent your voice. I’ll give an example because I think people are confused by this senerio. Let’s say there’s a hot issue in town that will affect your ward only, like maybe a controversial business in the neighborhood. You all would voice your opinion to your alderman and he in turn would vote what the majority of his ward residents want. He is your voice downtown.
Now let’s say there’s a controversial issue that affects a close friend, family member or business associate of his and it looks like he can’t be impartial because of the relationship…he should not vote on that issue.
Of course it didn’t pass with one vote, but that’s not the issue. The issue is of broader scope than that. It’s about impartiality. And no, the council member didn’t benefit, but what if some of the people were against it and they felt he was playing favorites? (that is an example only)
It’s like Mr. Buck excusing himself from the Sneakers vote because he had a business relationship with it. And he was right to do so.
April 5th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
this is the whole thing summed up in a tiny, simple nutshell.
mr. thompson was well within his rights and well within the legalities to build his addition. mr. saarloos, being a close personal friend of mr. thompson should have reused himself from said vote to completely remove any air of partiality. not because it benefits him, not because t was a close vote, just to make sure NO ONE can go back and say that he was doing a friend a favor. that’s it. nothing else. what would it have hurt if mr. saarloos would have removed himself? nothing. what COULD/POTENTIALLY/POSSIBLY look like to other people that he didn’t? many different things. next time, mr. saarloos will know better.
i also want to address something else that i noticed when they broadcast the last council meeting, and this thompson issue came up. mr. hammond threw the planning and zoning board under the bus. he gave his lecture about how inconsistent the planning and zoning is, and mr buck, who i have since found it is the liaison between p&z, and the mayor, neither of them explained why the p&z voted the way they did. after a single phone call, i found out they voted that way…wonder of wonders, it turns out the placement and dimensions as well as the distance from existing neighbors was well within the brandon rules and ordinances. to have NOT recommended it would have been improper and just plain wrong. that’s not inconsistency, that’s consistency! the only inconsistency i ever see is when the COUNCIL votes against what the p&z decides! PLANNING AND ZONING IS A RECOMMENDING BOARD ONLY. THE COUNCIL MAKES ALL FINAL DECISIONS!
(btw…it’s amazing the things you can find out WITH A SINGLE PHONE CALL. maybe i should volunteer to liason, i’m such a crack ace at finding out info.)
why didn’t the mayor or the liaison not explain that to mr hammond????
April 5th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
reused=recused hahahah
April 5th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
I just accessed this blog for the first time and now wishing I wouldn’t have. I have lived in Brandon for 14 years now and worked in Brandon for 6 of those years and always thought Brandon was a warm, opened arm community until I went to city council meetings and read this blog. I can’t believe what I thought was a great community can be so negative. Moan about this, grip about that, that is all everyone seems to do anymore. As for the bickering and battering of canadates, if you have so much to complain about stand up and run yourself. Anyone can hide behind a computer screen and type demeaning comments and express “hatered” for canidates. Time to stand up for what you believe in and express your opinons. The major problem I have seen is voter turn out, you have the right…USE IT! Tell a friend, neighbor, anyone that lives in Brandon. You want someone to win help your choice for canadate out and get people to vote.
Also I see on here that there is a major issue here with taking shots at canadate. It is your personal opinion on what you think of the person, just because you dont like them doesn’t mean you have to degrade them. Lets stop acting like children and act more like adults. Seems to be everyone is making attacks on John and but nothing on Blaine. I think both are outstanding canidates and have a ton of heart and determination just to even run for the job. I wish both the best of luck and may the best man win!
I know this is getting long but one last thing…why are we complaining about green fees and variances to add on? I believe that if you have nothing else to do than bring up issues on green fees than obviously you don’t care much about other issues. I am sure there are much lager issues than free golfing in this town, maybe we should have a free golf day to satisfy everyones needs. And for the variance for Mr. Thomsen…is it really that big of a issue? If a person that wants to get a varience can’t be a friendly neighbor of a canadate what can he do. Sounds like we just need to quarentine the canadate while in office so that there are no problems.
In all I think that because of all of this Brandon is getting much more of a negative view with the rest of the public. Lets try to change this and make this community more of a positive community NOT negative.
April 5th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Blaine..thank you very much for taking the time to listen and speak with me on several issues. to the bluffs residents. thank you as well for feeling the red haired step child neighborhoods pain. it being built where it is…is because of POOR PLANNING BY P&Z and the city council. Both of whom sneak by rezonings to allow ugly eye sores like that to go up. I so enjoy haveing absolutely NO FRIGGIN PRIVACY. the ground floor apts can see over the top of the fence into my backyard and the basement of my home..that will be a huge selling point in the future.
April 5th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
Taco Bell!! Taco Bell!!
April 5th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
Brett Favre just signed with the Vikings!!! check it out.
April 6th, 2008 at 6:34 am
The You Tube link is great, but why only 2 of the candidates?
April 6th, 2008 at 10:08 am
#91,
If there are problems with what you call the small issues with our council imagine what problems the big issues can cause. If they can’t get the little things right can we be assured they’ll get the big ones right?????
Nothing personal. period. We need new leadership. Leadership isn’t defined as one councilman monopolizing the time and running on and on shoving his views and agendas, and talking down to anyone who questions him,and claims to know everything about everything.(too bad he’s not up for the vote)
And why is it that the leader of our city (the mayor) lets that behavior continue?
Time for change.
April 6th, 2008 at 10:13 am
#73 (i can be anonymous too)
Should a member of our own Brandon press do as Alica does and use her name?
You post “namelessly” also so, Maybe we should give you a call up at the challenger office and ask you questions.
April 6th, 2008 at 10:42 am
#96 I think it is a matter of opinion whether the council manages the “little things”. I think they seem to handle them fairly well. It is the people who are unhappy with the outcomes of the “little things” that are doing the complaining. It is not that the council hasn’t dealt with them.
They have also dealt with many big issues. Whether we always agree with the outcomes, at least they are DOING SOMETHING. That is something prior councils have NOT done.
April 6th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
#91-Please don’t change your thoughts on the whole community because of the blogs! The negativity and self righteousness of a few anonymous bloggers does not represent the Brandon community as a whole. Some just don’t know the difference.
April 6th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
I’m not unhappy with the outcomes of the “little things” they didn’t affect me personally at all, I’m trying to look at the big picture here.
Doing something (regardless of the right thing or not) is not a smart thing to do. And how could you possibly say prior councils did nothing?? More specific please. There sure wasn’t any bitchin and moaning when there was a different council seated. Hmmmm, wonder why.
April 6th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
probably “cuz there was no blog to bitch & moan on!!!!!!!!!!
April 6th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Sorry, there was complaining, most council members weren’t listening.
1. We NEEDED and residents REQUESTED a quicker response time for an ambulance. This had been requested for a LONG time. The current council did something about this.
2. Managed and controlled growth. There wasn’t anything remotely close to this going on prior to this new council.
3. Infrastructure. Why did it take 14+ years for Holly to be built? The engineering plans were drawn up over 15 years ago.
4. Where are the parks that were supposed to be part of ALL developments? The land was set aside - just not enforced to be built. Could it have anything to do with prior council members/mayors being developers? If you notice, developers that weren’t part of the council/mayor DON’T have parks in their deveopments…..
5. What about the scrawny pool? We are a young community, this should have been a priority. We have a skate park instead…..
6. How about the “ballfields” that were promised years ago - no follow through there either. At least this council FINALLY have stepped up and provided $$$$ for upgrades.
7. How about drainage issues? Hodge podge at best. The current council is having to deal with these issues and clean up the mess.
I could go on. These are just a few examples. What I see from the current members is they are at least TRYING to deal with issues.
April 6th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Absolutely right 101! It is like someone decided “Hey, I have an idea.” “Let start a blog in Brandon where we can all play shit on your neighbor and bitch about everything under the sun in Brandon. And the real fun thing is everyone will be incognito. Nobody will know who is doing the bitching and slandering! Sounds like real fun. I am so proud of my city.
Kind of twisted isn’t it people.
April 6th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
I love it when people complain about the blog being incognito and post themselves incognito. Hypocritical ya think? It’s easy to solve it….logoff.
April 6th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
My name is Chris who once was a short time blogger. Logging off!
April 6th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
Oops - On my #102 post above question 4. SHOULD read: If you notice, developers that WERE members of the council/mayor don’t have parks in their developments.
April 7th, 2008 at 9:13 am
Have it from a good source, the parks issue is still controlled by the current council, realestate interests, and the city administration makes deals with developers.
As for the variance issue, representing people in your ward should have nothing to do with it. There are ordinances set in place and the only way a variance should be granted is if there is a hardship, which is the Sarrloos case there was not. The entire council voted in favor of the variance, instead of changing the ordinance. ITS NOT WHAT YOU KNOW BUT WHO YOU KNOW!!!!!
April 7th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
get used to it 107. such is life.
April 7th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0ETM-TSjlE&feature=user check this out…more of the forum….listen regarding gratuity and the golf course, and influence and favors for friends and neighbors.
April 7th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
Curious how Mr. Jones said he “doesn’t agree with accepting gratuities” but in the next breath he admits that he did while serving in the BPD. Am I the only one that is confused by his “statements”?
For the record - I think a free golf pass is OK for our Brandon employees and council members. I do feel this is a minor issue though and it would be best to move on to more important issues.
April 7th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
#110 I agree with you 110% - but these people don’t seem to realize that there are any other issues and think there is only one canidate and that canidate is a very good speaker and knows exactly what they want to hear. Don’t get me wrong I have nothing against Mr. Jones but I think there’s more than meets the eye here.
April 7th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
I agree with #110 and #111!
April 7th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
you’re not allowed to agree with anything until you learn how to spell CANDIDATE.
tink’s law.
April 7th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
i don’t care who you vote for tomorrow, just get out and vote!
(by that i mean…get out and vote for blaine jones!!!! just teasing everyone, don’t get your panties in a bunch!)
no. really. vote blaine jones.
April 7th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
p.s. just because YOU #110-112 think those things are non-issues, doesn’t mean everyone does. what gets me to the polls may be something that keeps you home.
April 7th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
I would agree. There are many other items more pressing to talk about than golf. The question was asked and I stand by my answer. In my eyes there is a big differance between an employee and an elected official. And I am only being truthful with the question asked. Yes, I did utilize the benefit while I was employed as a Police Officer. Please keep in mind that the forum was designed for all of the candidates to answer the questions at hand. None of the candidates were given the questions before the start of the forum. I presented myself to the citizens and audience that evening without “any” prepared statements. I spoke from the heart just as I think. As far as my speaking ability, I will take that as a compliment. Thank you. I again speak from the heart when I say I think our city is ready for someone who can articulate thier thoughts. I have been a public servant for the better part of my adult life. I take pride in my abilities and would like to use those abilities to serve the citizens of Brandon. Please take time to get out and vote. Thank you
April 7th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
I have no problem with people making mistakes like Blaine said he did in post #63. We all make mistakes. The only thing that turns me off somewhat is that he preaches honesty and integrity about himself. I think this is something that should come from other people, not the candidate.
April 8th, 2008 at 5:18 am
#110,
As a fulltime employee (BPD) he would have earned that “benefit” (as voted on by council)
As an elected offical, (not even part time) it’s a gratuity. Big difference.
A pass is 575.00. How many employees does the city have? That’s a few dollars of profit that could be put towards another project.
April 8th, 2008 at 5:28 am
Rubin’s platform is taking credit for everything good that’s been done in Brandon, I have a slight problem with someone taking all the credit. And PS, he’s made mistakes too, but doesn’t even acknowledge his.
People running for office do speak about themselves, that’s the nature of the game. They need put their qualities on the table.
April 8th, 2008 at 7:15 am
The city employees not only get a season pass but they also get a free cart - this would cost close to $1000 to any person walking in off the street to purchase it. For a city that seems to be in crunch for money, the council sure has a loose pocket book. Free golf for all employees and pay all the employees insurance premiums. I estimate that as $5000 per city employee - huge opportunity for the city to save money here.
April 8th, 2008 at 7:28 am
#118, In my view there is really no direct cost involved to the golf course by giving us employees this perk. Now if the golf course wrote out a check for $575.00 to each employee of the city, then you would have a point. Also, I play maybe half a dozen rounds a year. That is not worth $575.00. Maybe $150.00 according to the normal green fees and cart rental. I believe this is a good policy. Like others have said on here, I cannot believe this is such a pressing issue.
April 8th, 2008 at 8:09 am
#115 I did not say this was a “non-issue”. I said it was a “minor” issue. There is a difference. And yes, I agree with you that there are many different issues that bring us each to the polls. It is just important to be informed on ALL issues and make an educated vote.
I also agree with #121. There is not much of direct cost to the city (gas for carts is an exception). I still think it is OK - we all get perks (benefits or gratuities) from our workplaces.
April 8th, 2008 at 9:06 am
Do you think all the city employees in Sioux Falls receive a membership to Elmwood golf course? Perks where I work are not funded by tax payers, but by private enterprise.
April 8th, 2008 at 9:42 am
The employees of Sioux Falls Park & Rec also receive a higher salary than those in Brandon. I am not sure what the extras are in SF.
April 8th, 2008 at 10:07 am
How about the city uping the pool membership fees. How about we get a new pool first and then up fees. the one we have is old and not up to par for a community like this.
April 8th, 2008 at 10:18 am
city of sioux fall employees might get a high wage , not by much , but the entire compensation package that brandon employees recieve’s is far greater than sioux fall. Brandon employees do not pay for medical insurance.
April 8th, 2008 at 11:46 am
Hey 123 I hear that Elmwood and the SF city courses give a free membership to any citizen over 85 years old. I think that is pretty neat. Does that bother you also? Taxpayer are paying for that. I do not think our muni course has this policy maybe they should.
April 8th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
votevotevote Says:
April 7th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
i don’t care who you vote for tomorrow, just get out and vote!
(by that i mean…get out and vote for John Saarloos!!!! just teasing everyone, don’t get your panties in a bunch!)
no. really. vote John Saarloos.
April 8th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
127…that would make a lot more sense than what the current policy is. Then, Monday night, they think they need to raise the rates at the pool and take away more of the poor little kids allowances!! By the way, do we still have a mayor? All anyone ever complains about is the city council members.
April 8th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
129 - the mayor has no vote you idiot… The council makes all the decisions.
April 8th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Many Congratulations to Blaine and Roger!
April 8th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
Many Congratulations to Blaine and Roger!